Discussion:
Why do the left hate so much?
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Bullwinkle.
2011-12-31 10:17:46 UTC
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Why do the left hate so much?
With the dawn of the New Year only hours away, British state secrets from 30
years ago have been released into the public domain and something strange
has been revealed. That the loathing that the left have for the former
British Prime-minister Margaret Thatcher has been based on lies.

For those of you not in the know Margaret Thatcher was the British PM from
1979 to 1990. Yet while she was the most successful British PM in living
history, After years of Character assassination by the left she is actually
reviled by nearly everybody. (Even people who weren't even born when she was
in power are taught in Schools, yes Schools that she ruined the country)

So what lies did the left invent in which to demonize the most successful
British PM who kept the left out of power for nearly 20 years. Well for a
start they claim she ruined British industry, yet and a big yet the country
was in a far better state in 1990 than in 1979. For those who might
disagree, i remember the strikes of the 70s which earned the UK, the
nickname; 'The sickman of Europe'. You know that sickman where the country
was held to ransom by the unions, Powercuts, 3 day weeks, food shortages,
where Unions actually went on strike if they didn't receive chocolate
biscuits at their meetings. Take for example the British Motor industry
which was nationalised by Labour and run by the Unions. If you worked at BL
you had a job for life. You could not be sacked, which is why they built
crap cars, which nobody bought. I mean who the hell designs, builds and
sells a car which has a square steering wheel?. Maggie took on the Unions
and won, that meant, the dead got buried, rubbish got taken away, the lights
stayed on and the shops didn't have food shortages.

Then they invented the lie that she allowed the Falklands to be captured so
as to get re-elected. The icing on their cake being she had the Belgrano
sunk as it was sailing away from the Falklands. Well,what do you know. It
transpires that the Belgrano was actually sailing towards the Falklands when
it was sunk. But here, why let the truth stop you from telling lies.

How about how she refused to talk to the IRA. Wrong she did.

But the latest bitch by the left is she thought about arming the police, no
she didn't, she vetoed it. That she thought about allowing the north of
England to rot, no she didn't. But that's it with the left. They lie out of
their back teeth and when caught out they lie some more. Currently these
leftwing arseholes are on a mission to brainwash me into thinking that Allah
is my friend. Err no he f-ing isn't. But anybody who publicly states that,
becomes the target of a full borne attack of pure hate. Ask any jew in the
UK what I am on about.
Cassandra
2011-12-31 12:15:19 UTC
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Post by Bullwinkle.
For those of you not in the know Margaret Thatcher was the British PM from
1979 to 1990. Yet while she was the most successful British PM in living
history,
That would be Atlee - who created millions of jobs, had double digit
growth, expanded free education, created the NHS, expanded the
welfare state,increased social mobility, and provided millions with
social housing. All at a time with the UK was far more in debt than we
are now.

Thatcher on the other hand did only one of these things - expanded
welfare state
True Blue
2011-12-31 13:59:12 UTC
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On Dec 31, 8:15 am,
Post by Bullwinkle.
For those of you not in the know Margaret Thatcher was the British PM from
1979 to 1990. Yet while she was the most successful British PM in living
history,
That would be Atlee - who created  millions of jobs,
"non jobs"
Cassandra
2011-12-31 15:54:35 UTC
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 05:59:12 -0800 (PST), True Blue
On Dec 31, 8:15=A0am,
For those of you not in the know Margaret Thatcher was the British PM fr=
om
1979 to 1990. Yet while she was the most successful British PM in living
history,
That would be Atlee - who created =A0millions of jobs,
"non jobs"
What, making cars, ships, steel, aircraft, digging coal, building
houses, building roads, and driving trains - stuff like that ?
JNugent
2011-12-31 17:02:19 UTC
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Post by Cassandra
Post by True Blue
Post by Bullwinkle.
For those of you not in the know Margaret Thatcher was the British PM from
1979 to 1990. Yet while she was the most successful British PM in living
history,
That would be Atlee - who created =A0millions of jobs,
"non jobs"
What, making cars, ships, steel, aircraft, digging coal, building
houses, building roads, and driving trains - stuff like that ?
When was the last time a Labour government built a road?

Come to that, when did any government ever build a car (not counting the
production of British Leyland cars in the 1970s)? Or a ship?
abelard
2011-12-31 17:13:23 UTC
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:54:35 GMT,
Post by Cassandra
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 05:59:12 -0800 (PST), True Blue
On Dec 31, 8:15=A0am,
For those of you not in the know Margaret Thatcher was the British PM fr=
om
1979 to 1990. Yet while she was the most successful British PM in living
history,
That would be Atlee - who created =A0millions of jobs,
"non jobs"
What, making cars, ships, steel, aircraft, digging coal, building
houses, building roads, and driving trains - stuff like that ?
"This is utter myth. Britain actually received more than a third more
Marshall Aid than West Germany - $2.7 billion as against $1.7 billion.
She in fact pocketed the largest share of any European nation. The
truth is that the post-war Labour Government, advised by its resident
economic pundits, freely chose not to make industrial modernisation
the central theme in her use of Marshall Aid."


"The Marshall Plan was the programme of funding given to Western
Europe by the United States between April 1948 and December 1951."


"attlee 'government'....26 July 1945 – 26 October 1951"

germany rebuilt its industry...


why do socialists always lie?
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saracene
2011-12-31 17:58:23 UTC
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Post by abelard
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:54:35 GMT,
Post by Cassandra
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 05:59:12 -0800 (PST), True Blue
On Dec 31, 8:15=A0am,
For those of you not in the know Margaret Thatcher was the British PM fr=
om
1979 to 1990. Yet while she was the most successful British PM in living
history,
That would be Atlee - who created =A0millions of jobs,
"non jobs"
What, making cars, ships, steel, aircraft, digging coal, building
houses, building roads,  and driving trains -  stuff like that ?
"This is utter myth. Britain actually received more than a third more
Marshall Aid than West Germany - $2.7 billion as against $1.7 billion.
She in fact pocketed the largest share of any European nation. The
truth is that the post-war Labour Government, advised by its resident
economic pundits, freely chose not to make industrial modernisation
the central theme in her use of Marshall Aid."
"The Marshall Plan was the programme of funding given to Western
Europe by the United States between April 1948 and December 1951."
Oh those kindly yanks!
Post by abelard
"attlee 'government'....26 July 1945 – 26 October 1951"
germany rebuilt its industry...
why do socialists always lie?
--
On August 6, the first atomic bomb incinerated Hiroshima; on August
15, Emperor Hirohito broadcast the Japanese surrender; and on August
21, President Truman announced the end of lend-lease, the generous
deal under which Roosevelt had sent Britain food and arms on credit
since 1941. From then on, anything from America would be strictly
cash. That August, all pleasure-motoring in Britain was banned and all
foreign holidays stopped. The appalling mess we were in had been spelt
out in crystal-clear language by the great British economist Maynard
Keynes. In a paper circulated to the cabinet that ominous month, we
faced, he told them, "a financial Dunkirk".
Between 1946 and 1949, we had to face a total deficit of £1.7 billion.
Our gold reserves stood at £500m. We could cut them, say, to £250m. We
might borrow, perhaps, a further £150m from the sterling area. Our
cumulative debt over the next three years would still be £1.3 billion.
So, with the exchange rate then standing at $4.3 to the pound, we had
to borrow $5 billion from America. Keynes gave his life to that task –
and to our tomorrows – just as surely as any front-line soldier. His
heart was so suspect that his pilot flew low over Canada on the last
leg of his journey to Washington to put as little strain as possible
on it.

He found the US negotiators "deeply imbued with business analogies".
Not to put too fine a point on it, they saw Britain not as a gallant
little country that had stood a year alone against Hitler and fought
him longer than anyone else, but as a kind of hardware store that was
going bust. They were determined that the US must be put ahead of any
other creditors. Keynes had the brains, they had the cash. After long
and gruelling negotiations, they lent us $3.75 billion to be repaid in
50 annual instalments at 2% interest. "I shall never," Keynes summed
up, "as long as

I live, cease to regret that this is not an interest-free loan." He
died four months later. But there was a clause in the American loan
that was much more damaging than that: the condition that sterling
should become convertible. That ended inevitably with the devaluation
of sterling by a whopping 30% down to $2.80. Stafford Cripps, by now
chancellor of the exchequer, was obliged to deny three times that he
was going to do it. He called it "a necessary deception in a wicked
world".'
abelard
2011-12-31 18:04:17 UTC
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On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 09:58:23 -0800 (PST), saracene
Post by saracene
Post by abelard
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 15:54:35 GMT,
Post by Cassandra
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 05:59:12 -0800 (PST), True Blue
On Dec 31, 8:15=A0am,
For those of you not in the know Margaret Thatcher was the British PM fr=
om
1979 to 1990. Yet while she was the most successful British PM in living
history,
That would be Atlee - who created =A0millions of jobs,
"non jobs"
What, making cars, ships, steel, aircraft, digging coal, building
houses, building roads,  and driving trains -  stuff like that ?
"This is utter myth. Britain actually received more than a third more
Marshall Aid than West Germany - $2.7 billion as against $1.7 billion.
She in fact pocketed the largest share of any European nation. The
truth is that the post-war Labour Government, advised by its resident
economic pundits, freely chose not to make industrial modernisation
the central theme in her use of Marshall Aid."
"The Marshall Plan was the programme of funding given to Western
Europe by the United States between April 1948 and December 1951."
Oh those kindly yanks!
Post by abelard
"attlee 'government'....26 July 1945 – 26 October 1951"
germany rebuilt its industry...
why do socialists always lie?
--
On August 6, the first atomic bomb incinerated Hiroshima; on August
15, Emperor Hirohito broadcast the Japanese surrender; and on August
21, President Truman announced the end of lend-lease, the generous
deal under which Roosevelt had sent Britain food and arms on credit
since 1941. From then on, anything from America would be strictly
cash. That August, all pleasure-motoring in Britain was banned and all
foreign holidays stopped. The appalling mess we were in had been spelt
out in crystal-clear language by the great British economist Maynard
Keynes. In a paper circulated to the cabinet that ominous month, we
faced, he told them, "a financial Dunkirk".
Between 1946 and 1949
1)you are confusing dates...
2)you are attempting to change the subject
Post by saracene
, we had to face a total deficit of £1.7 billion.
Our gold reserves stood at £500m. We could cut them, say, to £250m. We
might borrow, perhaps, a further £150m from the sterling area. Our
cumulative debt over the next three years would still be £1.3 billion.
So, with the exchange rate then standing at $4.3 to the pound, we had
to borrow $5 billion from America. Keynes gave his life to that task –
and to our tomorrows – just as surely as any front-line soldier. His
heart was so suspect that his pilot flew low over Canada on the last
leg of his journey to Washington to put as little strain as possible
on it.
He found the US negotiators "deeply imbued with business analogies".
Not to put too fine a point on it, they saw Britain not as a gallant
little country that had stood a year alone against Hitler and fought
him longer than anyone else, but as a kind of hardware store that was
going bust. They were determined that the US must be put ahead of any
other creditors. Keynes had the brains, they had the cash. After long
and gruelling negotiations, they lent us $3.75 billion to be repaid in
50 annual instalments at 2% interest. "I shall never," Keynes summed
up, "as long as
I live, cease to regret that this is not an interest-free loan." He
died four months later. But there was a clause in the American loan
that was much more damaging than that: the condition that sterling
should become convertible. That ended inevitably with the devaluation
of sterling by a whopping 30% down to $2.80. Stafford Cripps, by now
chancellor of the exchequer, was obliged to deny three times that he
was going to do it. He called it "a necessary deception in a wicked
world".'
indeed, socialists always lie
--
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energy, education, politics, etc over 1 million document calls in year past
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Aardvark
2011-12-31 17:15:06 UTC
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Post by Cassandra
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 05:59:12 -0800 (PST), True Blue
On Dec 31, 8:15=A0am,
For those of you not in the know Margaret Thatcher was the British PM fr=
om
1979 to 1990. Yet while she was the most successful British PM in
living history,
That would be Atlee - who created =A0millions of jobs,
"non jobs"
What, making cars, ships, steel, aircraft, digging coal, building
houses, building roads, and driving trains - stuff like that ?
'True Blue' obviously only considers jobs as 'real' if they entail
donning a suit and tie and sitting at a desk from 9 to 5.

And produce absolutely nothing.
--
"And thus I clothe my naked villany
With odd old ends stol'n out of holy writ,
And seem a saint, when most I play the devil."
King Richard III (I, iii, 336-338)
True Blue
2011-12-31 18:28:30 UTC
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Post by Aardvark
Post by Cassandra
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 05:59:12 -0800 (PST), True Blue
On Dec 31, 8:15=A0am,
For those of you not in the know Margaret Thatcher was the British PM fr=
om
1979 to 1990. Yet while she was the most successful British PM in
living history,
That would be Atlee - who created =A0millions of jobs,
"non jobs"
What, making cars, ships, steel, aircraft, digging coal, building
houses, building roads,  and driving trains -  stuff like that ?
'True Blue' obviously only considers jobs as 'real' if they entail
donning a suit and tie and sitting at a desk from 9 to 5.
And produce absolutely nothing.
--
"And thus I clothe my naked villany
With odd old ends stol'n out of holy writ,
And seem a saint, when most I play the devil."
King Richard III (I, iii, 336-338)
I consider a job "real", if it needs doing, or if one man does one
man's work.
DVH
2012-01-01 10:57:14 UTC
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Post by Aardvark
Post by Cassandra
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 05:59:12 -0800 (PST), True Blue
On Dec 31, 8:15=A0am,
For those of you not in the know Margaret Thatcher was the British PM fr=
om
1979 to 1990. Yet while she was the most successful British PM in
living history,
That would be Atlee - who created =A0millions of jobs,
"non jobs"
What, making cars, ships, steel, aircraft, digging coal, building
houses, building roads, and driving trains - stuff like that ?
'True Blue' obviously only considers jobs as 'real' if they entail
donning a suit and tie and sitting at a desk from 9 to 5.
And produce absolutely nothing.
I believe TB is a professional metal basher, so I'm skeptical about your
claim.
True Blue
2011-12-31 18:26:06 UTC
Permalink
On Dec 31, 11:54 am,
Post by Cassandra
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 05:59:12 -0800 (PST), True Blue
On Dec 31, 8:15=A0am,
For those of you not in the know Margaret Thatcher was the British PM fr=
om
1979 to 1990. Yet while she was the most successful British PM in living
history,
That would be Atlee - who created =A0millions of jobs,
"non jobs"
What, making cars, ships, steel, aircraft, digging coal, building
houses, building roads,  and driving trains -  stuff like that ?
Aye, that was it. Making the cars with subsidised steel, from the
state steelworks, brought to the plant by the state railway, or the
state road transport, using the state electricity, generated by the
state power plant, using state coal.

Utopia! But sadly, the wise buyer bought the car that was made in
Wolfsburg, with no socialist influence whatsoever, because despite the
tariffs, it was cheaper, didn't fall to pieces in three years and
started without having to be pushed.
Cassandra
2011-12-31 22:13:37 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:26:06 -0800 (PST), True Blue
On Dec 31, 11:54=A0am,
Post by Cassandra
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 05:59:12 -0800 (PST), True Blue
On Dec 31, 8:15=3DA0am,
For those of you not in the know Margaret Thatcher was the British PM=
fr=3D
Post by Cassandra
om
1979 to 1990. Yet while she was the most successful British PM in liv=
ing
Post by Cassandra
history,
That would be Atlee - who created =3DA0millions of jobs,
"non jobs"
What, making cars, ships, steel, aircraft, digging coal, building
houses, building roads, =A0and driving trains - =A0stuff like that ?
Aye, that was it. Making the cars with subsidised steel, from the
state steelworks, brought to the plant by the state railway, or the
state road transport, using the state electricity, generated by the
state power plant, using state coal.
Utopia! But sadly, the wise buyer bought the car that was made in
Wolfsburg, with no socialist influence whatsoever, because despite the
tariffs, it was cheaper, didn't fall to pieces in three years and
started without having to be pushed.
Volkswagen Beetle - no socialist influence whatsoever....
abelard
2011-12-31 22:20:01 UTC
Permalink
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 22:13:37 GMT,
Post by Cassandra
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:26:06 -0800 (PST), True Blue
On Dec 31, 11:54=A0am,
Post by Cassandra
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 05:59:12 -0800 (PST), True Blue
On Dec 31, 8:15=3DA0am,
For those of you not in the know Margaret Thatcher was the British PM=
fr=3D
Post by Cassandra
om
1979 to 1990. Yet while she was the most successful British PM in liv=
ing
Post by Cassandra
history,
That would be Atlee - who created =3DA0millions of jobs,
"non jobs"
What, making cars, ships, steel, aircraft, digging coal, building
houses, building roads, =A0and driving trains - =A0stuff like that ?
Aye, that was it. Making the cars with subsidised steel, from the
state steelworks, brought to the plant by the state railway, or the
state road transport, using the state electricity, generated by the
state power plant, using state coal.
Utopia! But sadly, the wise buyer bought the car that was made in
Wolfsburg, with no socialist influence whatsoever, because despite the
tariffs, it was cheaper, didn't fall to pieces in three years and
started without having to be pushed.
Volkswagen Beetle - no socialist influence whatsoever....
the national socialists didn't deliver a single car to a paying
customer
--
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--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
all that is necessary for [] walk quietly and carry
the triumph of evil is that [] a big stick.
good people do nothing [] trust actions not words
only when it's funny -- roger rabbit
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
True Blue
2012-01-01 00:06:43 UTC
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On Dec 31, 6:13 pm,
Post by Cassandra
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 10:26:06 -0800 (PST), True Blue
On Dec 31, 11:54=A0am,
Post by Cassandra
On Sat, 31 Dec 2011 05:59:12 -0800 (PST), True Blue
On Dec 31, 8:15=3DA0am,
For those of you not in the know Margaret Thatcher was the British PM=
fr=3D
Post by Cassandra
om
1979 to 1990. Yet while she was the most successful British PM in liv=
ing
Post by Cassandra
history,
That would be Atlee - who created =3DA0millions of jobs,
"non jobs"
What, making cars, ships, steel, aircraft, digging coal, building
houses, building roads, =A0and driving trains - =A0stuff like that ?
Aye, that was it. Making the cars with subsidised steel, from the
state steelworks, brought to the plant by the state railway, or the
state road transport, using the state electricity, generated by the
state power plant, using state coal.
Utopia! But sadly, the wise buyer bought the car that was made in
Wolfsburg, with no socialist influence whatsoever, because despite the
tariffs, it was cheaper, didn't fall to pieces in three years and
started without having to be pushed.
Volkswagen Beetle - no socialist influence whatsoever....
Not after the REME got involved ("hoffs" fingernails)......
Aardvark
2011-12-31 14:04:36 UTC
Permalink
Post by Cassandra
Post by Bullwinkle.
For those of you not in the know Margaret Thatcher was the British PM
from 1979 to 1990. Yet while she was the most successful British PM in
living history,
That would be Atlee - who created millions of jobs, had double digit
growth, expanded free education, created the NHS, expanded the welfare
state,increased social mobility, and provided millions with social
housing. All at a time with the UK was far more in debt than we are now.
Thatcher on the other hand did only one of these things - expanded
welfare state
IAWTP.
--
"And thus I clothe my naked villany
With odd old ends stol'n out of holy writ,
And seem a saint, when most I play the devil."
King Richard III (I, iii, 336-338)
JNugent
2011-12-31 14:50:20 UTC
Permalink
Post by Cassandra
Post by Bullwinkle.
For those of you not in the know Margaret Thatcher was the British PM from
1979 to 1990. Yet while she was the most successful British PM in living
history,
That would be Atlee - who created millions of jobs, had double digit
growth, expanded free education, created the NHS, expanded the
welfare state,increased social mobility, and provided millions with
social housing. All at a time with the UK was far more in debt than we
are now.
Nonsense.

Broon and Balls borrowed more money in the last two years of their regime
than had cumulatively been borrowed - in *total* - since the foundation of
the National Debt.

Just think of that: they borrowed more in 24 months than had been borrowed in
total during the previous 300 years+.

It is obvious, therefore, that when they were turfed out, the UK's debt was
the highest it had ever been.

<http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/3556901/budget-2009-darling-is-interested-in-headlines-not-economic-recovery.thtml>
Cassandra
2011-12-31 16:04:01 UTC
Permalink
Post by JNugent
Post by Cassandra
Post by Bullwinkle.
For those of you not in the know Margaret Thatcher was the British PM from
1979 to 1990. Yet while she was the most successful British PM in living
history,
That would be Atlee - who created millions of jobs, had double digit
growth, expanded free education, created the NHS, expanded the
welfare state,increased social mobility, and provided millions with
social housing. All at a time with the UK was far more in debt than we
are now.
Nonsense.
Broon and Balls borrowed more money in the last two years of their regime
than had cumulatively been borrowed - in *total* - since the foundation of
the National Debt.
Just think of that: they borrowed more in 24 months than had been borrowed in
total during the previous 300 years+.
It is obvious, therefore, that when they were turfed out, the UK's debt was
the highest it had ever been.
<http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/3556901/budget-2009-darling-is-interested-in-headlines-not-economic-recovery.thtml>
UK National debt was:

250 percent of GDP in 1945

60 Percent in GDP in 2010

But don't let facts get in the way of a good rant
JNugent
2011-12-31 17:03:40 UTC
Permalink
Post by Cassandra
Post by JNugent
Post by Cassandra
Post by Bullwinkle.
For those of you not in the know Margaret Thatcher was the British PM from
1979 to 1990. Yet while she was the most successful British PM in living
history,
That would be Atlee - who created millions of jobs, had double digit
growth, expanded free education, created the NHS, expanded the
welfare state,increased social mobility, and provided millions with
social housing. All at a time with the UK was far more in debt than we
are now.
Nonsense.
Broon and Balls borrowed more money in the last two years of their regime
than had cumulatively been borrowed - in *total* - since the foundation of
the National Debt.
Just think of that: they borrowed more in 24 months than had been borrowed in
total during the previous 300 years+.
It is obvious, therefore, that when they were turfed out, the UK's debt was
the highest it had ever been.
<http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/3556901/budget-2009-darling-is-interested-in-headlines-not-economic-recovery.thtml>
250 percent of GDP in 1945
60 Percent in GDP in 2010
You do know that GDP was a lot bigger in 2010 than it had been in 1945...
don't you?
Aardvark
2011-12-31 17:17:22 UTC
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Post by JNugent
Post by JNugent
Post by Cassandra
Post by Bullwinkle.
For those of you not in the know Margaret Thatcher was the British
PM from 1979 to 1990. Yet while she was the most successful British
PM in living history,
That would be Atlee - who created millions of jobs, had double
digit growth, expanded free education, created the NHS, expanded
the welfare state,increased social mobility, and provided millions
with social housing. All at a time with the UK was far more in debt
than we are now.
Nonsense.
Broon and Balls borrowed more money in the last two years of their
regime than had cumulatively been borrowed - in *total* - since the
foundation of the National Debt.
Just think of that: they borrowed more in 24 months than had been
borrowed in total during the previous 300 years+.
It is obvious, therefore, that when they were turfed out, the UK's
debt was the highest it had ever been.
<http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/3556901/budget-2009-darling-
is-interested-in-headlines-not-economic-recovery.thtml>
Post by JNugent
250 percent of GDP in 1945 60 Percent in GDP in 2010
You do know that GDP was a lot bigger in 2010 than it had been in 1945...
don't you?
LOL. Not very mathematical, are you?
--
"And thus I clothe my naked villany
With odd old ends stol'n out of holy writ,
And seem a saint, when most I play the devil."
King Richard III (I, iii, 336-338)
Aardvark
2011-12-31 17:16:06 UTC
Permalink
Post by Cassandra
Post by JNugent
Post by Cassandra
Post by Bullwinkle.
For those of you not in the know Margaret Thatcher was the British PM
from 1979 to 1990. Yet while she was the most successful British PM
in living history,
That would be Atlee - who created millions of jobs, had double digit
growth, expanded free education, created the NHS, expanded the
welfare state,increased social mobility, and provided millions with
social housing. All at a time with the UK was far more in debt than we
are now.
Nonsense.
Broon and Balls borrowed more money in the last two years of their
regime than had cumulatively been borrowed - in *total* - since the
foundation of the National Debt.
Just think of that: they borrowed more in 24 months than had been
borrowed in total during the previous 300 years+.
It is obvious, therefore, that when they were turfed out, the UK's debt
was the highest it had ever been.
<http://www.spectator.co.uk/coffeehouse/3556901/budget-2009-darling-is-
interested-in-headlines-not-economic-recovery.thtml>
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250 percent of GDP in 1945
True.
Post by Cassandra
60 Percent in GDP in 2010
True.
Post by Cassandra
But don't let facts get in the way of a good rant
Do they ever?
--
"And thus I clothe my naked villany
With odd old ends stol'n out of holy writ,
And seem a saint, when most I play the devil."
King Richard III (I, iii, 336-338)
saracene
2011-12-31 17:05:57 UTC
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On Dec 31, 12:15 pm,
Post by Bullwinkle.
For those of you not in the know Margaret Thatcher was the British PM from
1979 to 1990. Yet while she was the most successful British PM in living
history,
That would be Atlee - who created  millions of jobs,  had double digit
growth,  expanded free education,  created the NHS, expanded the
welfare state,increased social mobility,  and provided millions with
social housing. All at a time with the UK was far more in debt than we
are now.
The soviets did a lot of those things in Russia. It wasn't till the
later 60s that the failure of their system became properly apparent.
It took the Tories to end socialist practices like rationing,
peacetime conscription and identity cards,
Thatcher on the other hand did only one of these things - expanded
welfare state
She did other good things.
SPierce
2011-12-31 19:56:15 UTC
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Post by Cassandra
Post by Bullwinkle.
For those of you not in the know Margaret Thatcher was the British PM from
1979 to 1990. Yet while she was the most successful British PM in living
history,
That would be Atlee - who created millions of jobs, had double digit
growth, expanded free education, created the NHS, expanded the
welfare state,increased social mobility, and provided millions with
social housing. All at a time with the UK was far more in debt than we
are now.
Thatcher on the other hand did only one of these things - expanded
welfare state
# Attlee used American tax-payers money...gift money from Americans, to
create the socialist welfare state. The Germans used the American
tax-payers money to rebuild shipyards and factories with brand new machinery
to create wealth and therefore new jobs. See where Germany is today
compared to Britain. And we British were so dumb as to take away German
used machinery after the war as reparations when the Germans were waiting at
the factory gates to install brand new machines in the same bolt-holes in
the floor.
And they are still cleverer even after the all the British 'free ejacashon'
the Americans paid for.
DonH
2011-12-31 20:27:55 UTC
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Post by SPierce
Post by Cassandra
Post by Bullwinkle.
For those of you not in the know Margaret Thatcher was the British PM from
1979 to 1990. Yet while she was the most successful British PM in living
history,
That would be Atlee - who created millions of jobs, had double digit
growth, expanded free education, created the NHS, expanded the
welfare state,increased social mobility, and provided millions with
social housing. All at a time with the UK was far more in debt than we
are now.
Thatcher on the other hand did only one of these things - expanded
welfare state
# Attlee used American tax-payers money...gift money from Americans, to
create the socialist welfare state. The Germans used the American
tax-payers money to rebuild shipyards and factories with brand new
machinery to create wealth and therefore new jobs. See where Germany is
today compared to Britain. And we British were so dumb as to take away
German used machinery after the war as reparations when the Germans were
waiting at the factory gates to install brand new machines in the same
bolt-holes in the floor.
And they are still cleverer even after the all the British 'free
ejacashon' the Americans paid for.
# Ah, yes, the Lessons of History.
The rise of Nazism can partly be blamed on reparations demanded by the
Treaty of Versailles, and so, the Americans, in order to avoid the same
mistake after WWII, pumped aid into Europe to help it rebuild - but also to
ward off threat of Europe going Commie.
Poor old Britain, however, has only recently repaid Lend Lease (war
loans).
Churchill was dumped in favour of Atlee, as the Brits had tired of blood,
sweat and tears.
As for Maggie Thatcher, the grocer's daughter and Iron Lady, she mainly
defended the Status Quo, until finally kicked upstairs to become a
Baronness.
Female Leaders try to prove they're as macho as any man, but the most
that can be said of them is, as a corollary of Murphy's Law, "A woman can
make as big a hash of things as any man."
Gordon Levi
2012-01-01 10:09:43 UTC
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Post by SPierce
# Attlee used American tax-payers money...gift money from Americans, to
create the socialist welfare state. The Germans used the American
tax-payers money to rebuild shipyards and factories with brand new machinery
to create wealth and therefore new jobs. See where Germany is today
compared to Britain. And we British were so dumb as to take away German
used machinery after the war as reparations when the Germans were waiting at
the factory gates to install brand new machines in the same bolt-holes in
the floor.
And they are still cleverer even after the all the British 'free ejacashon'
the Americans paid for.
You have made it clear that your emotional ties to Germany are
stronger than those to the U.K. Do you have any measurable attributes
that makes Germany superior or is this belief just another way of
denigrating you birth place.
SPierce
2012-01-01 11:58:45 UTC
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Post by Gordon Levi
Post by SPierce
# Attlee used American tax-payers money...gift money from Americans, to
create the socialist welfare state. The Germans used the American
tax-payers money to rebuild shipyards and factories with brand new machinery
to create wealth and therefore new jobs. See where Germany is today
compared to Britain. And we British were so dumb as to take away German
used machinery after the war as reparations when the Germans were waiting at
the factory gates to install brand new machines in the same bolt-holes in
the floor.
And they are still cleverer even after the all the British 'free ejacashon'
the Americans paid for.
You have made it clear that your emotional ties to Germany are
stronger than those to the U.K. Do you have any measurable attributes
that makes Germany superior or is this belief just another way of
denigrating you birth place.
# I have no emotional ties to Germany. I respect intelligence and I see it
in Germans.

I do not denigrate my birthplace, I denigrate people who have allowed
Africans and Pakistanis preference over Germans to inhabit my birthplace.
We went to war supposedly to keep clever Germans from invading and allowed
the lowest of intelligent beings on the planet to walk in. That makes me
angry. Viking angry.
Dustin
2012-01-02 22:19:22 UTC
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Post by SPierce
Post by Gordon Levi
Post by SPierce
# Attlee used American tax-payers money...gift money from Americans,
to create the socialist welfare state. The Germans used the
American tax-payers money to rebuild shipyards and factories with
brand new machinery
to create wealth and therefore new jobs. See where Germany is
today compared to Britain. And we British were so dumb as to take
away German used machinery after the war as reparations when the
Germans were waiting at
the factory gates to install brand new machines in the same
bolt-holes in the floor.
And they are still cleverer even after the all the British 'free ejacashon'
the Americans paid for.
You have made it clear that your emotional ties to Germany are
stronger than those to the U.K. Do you have any measurable
attributes that makes Germany superior or is this belief just
another way of denigrating you birth place.
# I have no emotional ties to Germany. I respect intelligence and I
see it in Germans.
I too respect intelligence and I've seen much German engineering work
that's quite impressive. I'm merely speaking from technical aspects. I
have no wish to discuss their belief system or other aspects.
--
Character is doing the right thing when nobody's looking. There are too
many people who think that the only thing that's right is to get by, and
the only thing that's wrong is to get caught. - J.C. Watts
saracene
2012-01-02 22:28:16 UTC
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  That makes me
angry.  Viking angry.
You another Breivik?
SPierce
2012-01-02 23:27:43 UTC
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Post by SPierce
That makes me
angry. Viking angry.
You another Breivik?

# I am, yes. The difference being he had the guts to *do* something to the
communist bastards ruining his country with Muslims. But see how they got
two patsy psychiatrists to get him labeled insane so he can't stand up in a
court and broadcast his attitude to the world anymore. He will now be
attended for 're-education' by psychiatrists. That was the Soviet method
for their dissident writers in the 1960s. But I think Breivic is a real
Viking. I hope he kills them too.
B J Foster
2012-01-03 03:34:36 UTC
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Post by saracene
Post by SPierce
That makes me
angry. Viking angry.
You another Breivik?
# I am, yes. The difference being he had the guts to *do* something to the
communist bastards ruining his country with Muslims. But see how they got
two patsy psychiatrists to get him labeled insane so he can't stand up in a
court and broadcast his attitude to the world anymore. He will now be
attended for 're-education' by psychiatrists. That was the Soviet method
for their dissident writers in the 1960s. But I think Breivic is a real
Viking. I hope he kills them too.
Breivic killed innocent people - innocent, even from the most twisted
conceivable perspective. That makes you a psychopath too.
Aardvark
2012-01-03 18:35:27 UTC
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Post by B J Foster
news:b7baf510-3cec-4755-
That makes me angry. Viking angry.
You another Breivik?
# I am, yes. The difference being he had the guts to *do* something
to the communist bastards ruining his country with Muslims. But see
how they got two patsy psychiatrists to get him labeled insane so he
can't stand up in a court and broadcast his attitude to the world
anymore. He will now be attended for 're-education' by psychiatrists.
That was the Soviet method for their dissident writers in the 1960s.
But I think Breivic is a real Viking. I hope he kills them too.
Breivic killed innocent people - innocent, even from the most twisted
conceivable perspective. That makes you a psychopath too.
I tend to agree with your assessment.
--
"And thus I clothe my naked villany
With odd old ends stol'n out of holy writ,
And seem a saint, when most I play the devil."
King Richard III (I, iii, 336-338)
abelard
2011-12-31 12:38:48 UTC
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Post by Bullwinkle.
Why do the left hate so much?
With the dawn of the New Year only hours away, British state secrets from 30
years ago have been released into the public domain and something strange
has been revealed. That the loathing that the left have for the former
British Prime-minister Margaret Thatcher has been based on lies.
anywhere the left tell the truth, they have no chance at all of
power in an educated society...
--
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energy, education, politics, etc over 1 million document calls in year past
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sutartsorric
2011-12-31 17:56:03 UTC
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Post by Bullwinkle.
Why do the left hate so much?
With the dawn of the New Year only hours away, British state secrets from 30
years ago have been released into the public domain and something strange
has been revealed. That the loathing that the left have for the former
British Prime-minister Margaret Thatcher has been based on lies.
For those of you not in the know Margaret Thatcher was the British PM from
1979 to 1990. Yet while she was the most successful British PM in living
history,
Your version of history is somewhat warped. How do you define success
in a way that can be skewed to your conclusions?



After years of Character assassination by the left she is actually
Post by Bullwinkle.
reviled by nearly everybody. (Even people who weren't even born when she was
in power are taught in Schools, yes Schools that she ruined the country)
Yes, she is reviled because of her condescending and patronising
attitude to nearly everyone in the country.

When she was elected, we were promised a different style of leadership
as women knew all about running homes and she would do the same for
the country. What we actually got was a snooty old bat who bore no
resemblance to any woman we had ever known.
Post by Bullwinkle.
So what lies did the left invent in which to demonize the most successful
British PM who kept the left out of power for nearly 20 years. Well for a
start they claim she ruined British industry, yet and a big yet the country
was in a far better state in 1990 than in 1979.
Leaving aside the fact that this last sentence makes no sense, are you
really telling me that she did not ruin British heavy industry?
We have had this blind pro-Thatcher bullshit many times over the last
few years and none seem to have read the riposte which says that North
Sea oil revenues were so great that a pack of chimps could have left
the country in a better state in 1990 than 1979.




For those who might
Post by Bullwinkle.
disagree, i remember the strikes of the 70s which earned the UK, the
nickname; 'The sickman of Europe'. You know that sickman where the country
was held to ransom by the unions, Powercuts, 3 day weeks, food shortages,
That was during Ted Heath's premiership.
Post by Bullwinkle.
where Unions actually went on strike if they didn't receive chocolate
biscuits at their meetings. Take for example the British Motor industry
which was nationalised by Labour and run by the Unions. If you worked at BL
you had a job for life. You could not be sacked, which is why they built
crap cars, which nobody bought.
I assume you were not around for the 1968 I'm Backing Britain
campaign?

Lots of people bought British cars, mainly because foreign ones were
subject to import duties.

I mean who the hell designs, builds and
Post by Bullwinkle.
sells a car which has a square steering wheel?.
I give up, who does?

<rest of this drunken garbage snipped>

Now go and read proper history books for a few years sonny, and come
back when you can hold your shandy.
Paintbrush
2012-01-01 01:28:01 UTC
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On Dec 31, 2:17 am, "Bullwinkle." <***@loa..mo> wrote:

Bullwinkle, Allah IS your friend ----.
Smile, buddy, and switch to decaf.
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