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While the MSM is blaming Trump for Dayton and El Paso --
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Byker
2019-08-05 19:24:34 UTC
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-- at least now all the Baltimorgue bullshit has been put on the back
burner.

So now for a while we'll get to see talking heads on the news channels
arguing hysterically about "dump Trump", "hate speech", gun control, White
supremacy, anti-Hispanic racism, ad nauseam, while the Spanish-language
channels (Univision, Azteca, etc.) spew out anti-gringo histrionics 24/7.

I've often said that events like these make me wish for the appearance of a
large earth-bound asteroid just for the sake of distraction. Well, it seems
we had a near-miss last week and no paid the least bit of attention:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_OK






Last December a chunk of space rock blew up over the Bering Sea:


At 170 kilotons, that would have saved blue shitholes like Baltimorgue a lot
of expense regarding urban renewal: https://tinyurl.com/y6fevdrf

I wonder if Tom Clancy knowingly picked the right city?

Keema's Nan
2019-08-05 20:38:41 UTC
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Post by Byker
-- at least now all the Baltimorgue bullshit has been put on the back
burner.
So now for a while we'll get to see talking heads on the news channels
arguing hysterically about "dump Trump", "hate speech", gun control, White
supremacy, anti-Hispanic racism, ad nauseam, while the Spanish-language
channels (Univision, Azteca, etc.) spew out anti-gringo histrionics 24/7.
I've often said that events like these make me wish for the appearance of a
large earth-bound asteroid just for the sake of distraction. Well, it seems
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_OK
Fuck me.

All that effort they have put into watching for lumps of rock in space, and
this thing gets to within 24 hours of armageddon before anyone knows it is
there.

Even if it had got closer than 45000 miles and exploded in the atmosphere;
Trump would have blamed it on Iran. South Korea would have blamed it on the
North; everyone would have blamed Putin, and Lardy would have blamed
socialists.
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http://youtu.be/UogbvS429k8
http://youtu.be/fPDBpThe8Ns
http://youtu.be/fpaxvjFh-qA
At 170 kilotons, that would have saved blue shitholes like Baltimorgue a lot
of expense regarding urban renewal: https://tinyurl.com/y6fevdrf
I wonder if Tom Clancy knowingly picked the right city?
http://youtu.be/7v2mOqK6eCY
Byker
2019-08-05 21:03:15 UTC
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Post by Byker
I've often said that events like these make me wish for the appearance of
a large earth-bound asteroid just for the sake of distraction. Well, it
seems we had a near-miss last week and no paid the least bit of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_OK
Fuck me.
All that effort they have put into watching for lumps of rock in space,
and this thing gets to within 24 hours of armageddon before anyone knows
it is there.
Even if it had got closer than 45000 miles and exploded in the atmosphere;
Trump would have blamed it on Iran. South Korea would have blamed it on
the North; everyone would have blamed Putin, and Lardy would have blamed
socialists.
I shudder to think what might have happened had the Chelyabinsk event
happened during Cold War: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelyabinsk_meteor


Dan S. MacAbre
2019-08-06 06:57:05 UTC
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I've often said that events like these make me wish for the
appearance of
a large earth-bound asteroid just for the sake of distraction. Well, it
seems we had a near-miss last week and no paid the least bit of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_OK
Fuck me.
All that effort they have put into watching for lumps of rock in space,
and this thing gets to within 24 hours of armageddon before anyone knows
it is there.
Even if it had got closer than 45000 miles and exploded in the atmosphere;
Trump would have blamed it on Iran. South Korea would have blamed it on
the North; everyone would have blamed Putin, and Lardy would have blamed
socialists.
I shudder to think what might have happened had the Chelyabinsk event
happened during Cold War: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelyabinsk_meteor
http://youtu.be/dpmXyJrs7iU
Maybe they only /pretended/ it was a meteor :-)
Keema's Nan
2019-08-06 07:23:39 UTC
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I've often said that events like these make me wish for the appearance of
a large earth-bound asteroid just for the sake of distraction. Well, it
seems we had a near-miss last week and no paid the least bit of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_OK
Fuck me.
All that effort they have put into watching for lumps of rock in space,
and this thing gets to within 24 hours of armageddon before anyone knows
it is there.
Even if it had got closer than 45000 miles and exploded in the atmosphere;
Trump would have blamed it on Iran. South Korea would have blamed it on
the North; everyone would have blamed Putin, and Lardy would have blamed
socialists.
I shudder to think what might have happened had the Chelyabinsk event
happened during Cold War: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelyabinsk_meteor
http://youtu.be/dpmXyJrs7iU
Maybe they only /pretended/ it was a meteor :-)
At breakfast time I was sitting by the house atVanavara
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanavara_(rural_locality))Trading Post [65
kilometres/40 miles south of the explosion], facing north. […] I suddenly
saw that directly to the north, over Onkoul's Tunguska Road, the sky split in
two and fire appeared high and wide over the forest [as Semenov showed, about
50 degrees up—expedition note]. The split in the sky grew larger, and the
entire northern side was covered with fire. At that moment I became so hot
that I couldn't bear it as if my shirt was on fire; from the northern side,
where the fire was, came strong heat. I wanted to tear off my shirt and throw
it down, but then the sky shut closed, and a strong thump sounded, and I was
thrown a few metres. I lost my senses for a moment, but then my wife ran out
and led me to the house. After that such noise came, as if rocks were falling
or cannons were firing, the Earth shook, and when I was on the ground, I
pressed my head down, fearing rocks would smash it. When the sky opened up,
hot wind raced between the houses, like from cannons, which left traces in
the ground like pathways, and it damaged some crops. Later we saw that many
windows were shattered, and in the barn, a part of the iron lock snapped.

.....Eyewitness report many years after the 1908 Tunguska event.
Dan S. MacAbre
2019-08-06 08:31:33 UTC
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I've often said that events like these make me wish for the appearance of
a large earth-bound asteroid just for the sake of distraction. Well, it
seems we had a near-miss last week and no paid the least bit of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_OK
Fuck me.
All that effort they have put into watching for lumps of rock in space,
and this thing gets to within 24 hours of armageddon before anyone knows
it is there.
Even if it had got closer than 45000 miles and exploded in the atmosphere;
Trump would have blamed it on Iran. South Korea would have blamed it on
the North; everyone would have blamed Putin, and Lardy would have blamed
socialists.
I shudder to think what might have happened had the Chelyabinsk event
happened during Cold War: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelyabinsk_meteor
http://youtu.be/dpmXyJrs7iU
Maybe they only /pretended/ it was a meteor :-)
At breakfast time I was sitting by the house atVanavara
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanavara_(rural_locality))Trading Post [65
kilometres/40 miles south of the explosion], facing north. […] I suddenly
saw that directly to the north, over Onkoul's Tunguska Road, the sky split in
two and fire appeared high and wide over the forest [as Semenov showed, about
50 degrees up—expedition note]. The split in the sky grew larger, and the
entire northern side was covered with fire. At that moment I became so hot
that I couldn't bear it as if my shirt was on fire; from the northern side,
where the fire was, came strong heat. I wanted to tear off my shirt and throw
it down, but then the sky shut closed, and a strong thump sounded, and I was
thrown a few metres. I lost my senses for a moment, but then my wife ran out
and led me to the house. After that such noise came, as if rocks were falling
or cannons were firing, the Earth shook, and when I was on the ground, I
pressed my head down, fearing rocks would smash it. When the sky opened up,
hot wind raced between the houses, like from cannons, which left traces in
the ground like pathways, and it damaged some crops. Later we saw that many
windows were shattered, and in the barn, a part of the iron lock snapped.
.....Eyewitness report many years after the 1908 Tunguska event.
I remember seeing old photographs of the trees flattened for miles
around. It left quite an impression on me.
Keema's Nan
2019-08-06 08:40:47 UTC
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I've often said that events like these make me wish for the
appearance of
a large earth-bound asteroid just for the sake of distraction. Well, it
seems we had a near-miss last week and no paid the least bit of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_OK
Fuck me.
All that effort they have put into watching for lumps of rock in space,
and this thing gets to within 24 hours of armageddon before anyone knows
it is there.
Even if it had got closer than 45000 miles and exploded in the atmosphere;
Trump would have blamed it on Iran. South Korea would have blamed it on
the North; everyone would have blamed Putin, and Lardy would have blamed
socialists.
I shudder to think what might have happened had the Chelyabinsk event
happened during Cold War: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelyabinsk_meteor
http://youtu.be/dpmXyJrs7iU
Maybe they only /pretended/ it was a meteor :-)
At breakfast time I was sitting by the house atVanavara
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanavara_(rural_locality))Trading Post [65
kilometres/40 miles south of the explosion], facing north. […] I suddenly
saw that directly to the north, over Onkoul's Tunguska Road, the sky split in
two and fire appeared high and wide over the forest [as Semenov showed, about
50 degrees up—expedition note]. The split in the sky grew larger, and the
entire northern side was covered with fire. At that moment I became so hot
that I couldn't bear it as if my shirt was on fire; from the northern side,
where the fire was, came strong heat. I wanted to tear off my shirt and throw
it down, but then the sky shut closed, and a strong thump sounded, and I was
thrown a few metres. I lost my senses for a moment, but then my wife ran out
and led me to the house. After that such noise came, as if rocks were falling
or cannons were firing, the Earth shook, and when I was on the ground, I
pressed my head down, fearing rocks would smash it. When the sky opened up,
hot wind raced between the houses, like from cannons, which left traces in
the ground like pathways, and it damaged some crops. Later we saw that many
windows were shattered, and in the barn, a part of the iron lock snapped.
.....Eyewitness report many years after the 1908 Tunguska event.
I remember seeing old photographs of the trees flattened for miles
around. It left quite an impression on me.
Yes, quite a thought provoking image.

They estimate that 80 million trees over about 1000 square miles were
flattened due to the event, which was estimated to be about 1000 times more
powerful than the Hiroshima bomb; and made more deadly by the fact that much
of the Tunguska blast was directed downwards. The meteor is believed to have
exploded about 5 miles above the ground.
Dan S. MacAbre
2019-08-06 09:15:33 UTC
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I've often said that events like these make me wish for the appearance of
a large earth-bound asteroid just for the sake of distraction. Well, it
seems we had a near-miss last week and no paid the least bit of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_OK
Fuck me.
All that effort they have put into watching for lumps of rock in space,
and this thing gets to within 24 hours of armageddon before anyone knows
it is there.
Even if it had got closer than 45000 miles and exploded in the atmosphere;
Trump would have blamed it on Iran. South Korea would have blamed it on
the North; everyone would have blamed Putin, and Lardy would have blamed
socialists.
I shudder to think what might have happened had the Chelyabinsk event
happened during Cold War: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelyabinsk_meteor
http://youtu.be/dpmXyJrs7iU
Maybe they only /pretended/ it was a meteor :-)
At breakfast time I was sitting by the house atVanavara
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanavara_(rural_locality))Trading Post [65
kilometres/40 miles south of the explosion], facing north. […] I suddenly
saw that directly to the north, over Onkoul's Tunguska Road, the sky split in
two and fire appeared high and wide over the forest [as Semenov showed, about
50 degrees up—expedition note]. The split in the sky grew larger, and the
entire northern side was covered with fire. At that moment I became so hot
that I couldn't bear it as if my shirt was on fire; from the northern side,
where the fire was, came strong heat. I wanted to tear off my shirt and throw
it down, but then the sky shut closed, and a strong thump sounded, and I was
thrown a few metres. I lost my senses for a moment, but then my wife ran out
and led me to the house. After that such noise came, as if rocks were falling
or cannons were firing, the Earth shook, and when I was on the ground, I
pressed my head down, fearing rocks would smash it. When the sky opened up,
hot wind raced between the houses, like from cannons, which left traces in
the ground like pathways, and it damaged some crops. Later we saw that many
windows were shattered, and in the barn, a part of the iron lock snapped.
.....Eyewitness report many years after the 1908 Tunguska event.
I remember seeing old photographs of the trees flattened for miles
around. It left quite an impression on me.
Yes, quite a thought provoking image.
They estimate that 80 million trees over about 1000 square miles were
flattened due to the event, which was estimated to be about 1000 times more
powerful than the Hiroshima bomb; and made more deadly by the fact that much
of the Tunguska blast was directed downwards. The meteor is believed to have
exploded about 5 miles above the ground.
AFAIK, atomic bombs are designed to explode high in the air, too, for
the same reason. I expect the Tsar Bomba was simply Russia trying to
get it's own back on the Cosmos. :-)
Incubus
2019-08-06 09:35:32 UTC
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I've often said that events like these make me wish for the appearance of
a large earth-bound asteroid just for the sake of distraction. Well, it
seems we had a near-miss last week and no paid the least bit of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_OK
Fuck me.
All that effort they have put into watching for lumps of rock in space,
and this thing gets to within 24 hours of armageddon before anyone knows
it is there.
Even if it had got closer than 45000 miles and exploded in the atmosphere;
Trump would have blamed it on Iran. South Korea would have blamed it on
the North; everyone would have blamed Putin, and Lardy would have blamed
socialists.
I shudder to think what might have happened had the Chelyabinsk event
happened during Cold War: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelyabinsk_meteor
http://youtu.be/dpmXyJrs7iU
Maybe they only /pretended/ it was a meteor :-)
At breakfast time I was sitting by the house atVanavara
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanavara_(rural_locality))Trading Post [65
kilometres/40 miles south of the explosion], facing north. […] I suddenly
saw that directly to the north, over Onkoul's Tunguska Road, the sky split in
two and fire appeared high and wide over the forest [as Semenov showed, about
50 degrees up—expedition note]. The split in the sky grew larger, and the
entire northern side was covered with fire. At that moment I became so hot
that I couldn't bear it as if my shirt was on fire; from the northern side,
where the fire was, came strong heat. I wanted to tear off my shirt and throw
it down, but then the sky shut closed, and a strong thump sounded, and I was
thrown a few metres. I lost my senses for a moment, but then my wife ran out
and led me to the house. After that such noise came, as if rocks were falling
or cannons were firing, the Earth shook, and when I was on the ground, I
pressed my head down, fearing rocks would smash it. When the sky opened up,
hot wind raced between the houses, like from cannons, which left traces in
the ground like pathways, and it damaged some crops. Later we saw that many
windows were shattered, and in the barn, a part of the iron lock snapped.
.....Eyewitness report many years after the 1908 Tunguska event.
I remember seeing old photographs of the trees flattened for miles
around. It left quite an impression on me.
Yes, quite a thought provoking image.
They estimate that 80 million trees over about 1000 square miles were
flattened due to the event, which was estimated to be about 1000 times more
powerful than the Hiroshima bomb; and made more deadly by the fact that much
of the Tunguska blast was directed downwards. The meteor is believed to have
exploded about 5 miles above the ground.
AFAIK, atomic bombs are designed to explode high in the air, too, for
the same reason. I expect the Tsar Bomba was simply Russia trying to
get it's own back on the Cosmos. :-)
They can detonate at various heights. Air burst maximises the blast radius but
if the intention is to deny use of an area due to fallout or damage underground
installations, ground detonation would be preferred.
Dan S. MacAbre
2019-08-06 09:44:54 UTC
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I've often said that events like these make me wish for the appearance of
a large earth-bound asteroid just for the sake of distraction. Well, it
seems we had a near-miss last week and no paid the least bit of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_OK
Fuck me.
All that effort they have put into watching for lumps of rock in space,
and this thing gets to within 24 hours of armageddon before anyone knows
it is there.
Even if it had got closer than 45000 miles and exploded in the atmosphere;
Trump would have blamed it on Iran. South Korea would have blamed it on
the North; everyone would have blamed Putin, and Lardy would have blamed
socialists.
I shudder to think what might have happened had the Chelyabinsk event
happened during Cold War: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelyabinsk_meteor
http://youtu.be/dpmXyJrs7iU
Maybe they only /pretended/ it was a meteor :-)
At breakfast time I was sitting by the house atVanavara
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanavara_(rural_locality))Trading Post [65
kilometres/40 miles south of the explosion], facing north. […] I suddenly
saw that directly to the north, over Onkoul's Tunguska Road, the sky split in
two and fire appeared high and wide over the forest [as Semenov showed, about
50 degrees up—expedition note]. The split in the sky grew larger, and the
entire northern side was covered with fire. At that moment I became so hot
that I couldn't bear it as if my shirt was on fire; from the northern side,
where the fire was, came strong heat. I wanted to tear off my shirt and throw
it down, but then the sky shut closed, and a strong thump sounded, and I was
thrown a few metres. I lost my senses for a moment, but then my wife ran out
and led me to the house. After that such noise came, as if rocks were falling
or cannons were firing, the Earth shook, and when I was on the ground, I
pressed my head down, fearing rocks would smash it. When the sky opened up,
hot wind raced between the houses, like from cannons, which left traces in
the ground like pathways, and it damaged some crops. Later we saw that many
windows were shattered, and in the barn, a part of the iron lock snapped.
.....Eyewitness report many years after the 1908 Tunguska event.
I remember seeing old photographs of the trees flattened for miles
around. It left quite an impression on me.
Yes, quite a thought provoking image.
They estimate that 80 million trees over about 1000 square miles were
flattened due to the event, which was estimated to be about 1000 times more
powerful than the Hiroshima bomb; and made more deadly by the fact that much
of the Tunguska blast was directed downwards. The meteor is believed to have
exploded about 5 miles above the ground.
AFAIK, atomic bombs are designed to explode high in the air, too, for
the same reason. I expect the Tsar Bomba was simply Russia trying to
get it's own back on the Cosmos. :-)
They can detonate at various heights. Air burst maximises the blast radius but
if the intention is to deny use of an area due to fallout or damage underground
installations, ground detonation would be preferred.
I was reading a book recently, mostly about atomic accidents. Very
interesting indeed; but it mentioned, almost in passing, that the
fallout effects of Hiroshima/Nagasaki would have been small - mostly
dissipated in the air - and that the major damage was caused by heat.
If that's correct, then it's not that much different to the carpet
bombings that they were subjected to.
Incubus
2019-08-06 10:26:27 UTC
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I've often said that events like these make me wish for the appearance of
a large earth-bound asteroid just for the sake of distraction. Well, it
seems we had a near-miss last week and no paid the least bit of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_OK
Fuck me.
All that effort they have put into watching for lumps of rock in space,
and this thing gets to within 24 hours of armageddon before anyone knows
it is there.
Even if it had got closer than 45000 miles and exploded in the atmosphere;
Trump would have blamed it on Iran. South Korea would have blamed it on
the North; everyone would have blamed Putin, and Lardy would have blamed
socialists.
I shudder to think what might have happened had the Chelyabinsk event
happened during Cold War: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelyabinsk_meteor
http://youtu.be/dpmXyJrs7iU
Maybe they only /pretended/ it was a meteor :-)
At breakfast time I was sitting by the house atVanavara
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanavara_(rural_locality))Trading Post [65
kilometres/40 miles south of the explosion], facing north. […] I suddenly
saw that directly to the north, over Onkoul's Tunguska Road, the sky split in
two and fire appeared high and wide over the forest [as Semenov showed, about
50 degrees up—expedition note]. The split in the sky grew larger, and the
entire northern side was covered with fire. At that moment I became so hot
that I couldn't bear it as if my shirt was on fire; from the northern side,
where the fire was, came strong heat. I wanted to tear off my shirt and throw
it down, but then the sky shut closed, and a strong thump sounded, and I was
thrown a few metres. I lost my senses for a moment, but then my wife ran out
and led me to the house. After that such noise came, as if rocks were falling
or cannons were firing, the Earth shook, and when I was on the ground, I
pressed my head down, fearing rocks would smash it. When the sky opened up,
hot wind raced between the houses, like from cannons, which left traces in
the ground like pathways, and it damaged some crops. Later we saw that many
windows were shattered, and in the barn, a part of the iron lock snapped.
.....Eyewitness report many years after the 1908 Tunguska event.
I remember seeing old photographs of the trees flattened for miles
around. It left quite an impression on me.
Yes, quite a thought provoking image.
They estimate that 80 million trees over about 1000 square miles were
flattened due to the event, which was estimated to be about 1000 times more
powerful than the Hiroshima bomb; and made more deadly by the fact that much
of the Tunguska blast was directed downwards. The meteor is believed to have
exploded about 5 miles above the ground.
AFAIK, atomic bombs are designed to explode high in the air, too, for
the same reason. I expect the Tsar Bomba was simply Russia trying to
get it's own back on the Cosmos. :-)
They can detonate at various heights. Air burst maximises the blast radius but
if the intention is to deny use of an area due to fallout or damage underground
installations, ground detonation would be preferred.
I was reading a book recently, mostly about atomic accidents. Very
interesting indeed; but it mentioned, almost in passing, that the
fallout effects of Hiroshima/Nagasaki would have been small - mostly
dissipated in the air - and that the major damage was caused by heat.
If that's correct, then it's not that much different to the carpet
bombings that they were subjected to.
Local fallout was negligible but 6,000 survived the initial blast and firestorm
caused by the detonation of Little Boy only to die from radiation sickness:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Boy#Radiation

That's significantly worse than the fatalities one might expect from
conventional weapons.
Dan S. MacAbre
2019-08-06 10:35:32 UTC
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I've often said that events like these make me wish for the
appearance of
a large earth-bound asteroid just for the sake of distraction. Well, it
seems we had a near-miss last week and no paid the least bit of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_OK
Fuck me.
All that effort they have put into watching for lumps of rock in space,
and this thing gets to within 24 hours of armageddon before anyone knows
it is there.
Even if it had got closer than 45000 miles and exploded in the
atmosphere;
Trump would have blamed it on Iran. South Korea would have blamed it on
the North; everyone would have blamed Putin, and Lardy would have blamed
socialists.
I shudder to think what might have happened had the Chelyabinsk event
happened during Cold War: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelyabinsk_meteor
http://youtu.be/dpmXyJrs7iU
Maybe they only /pretended/ it was a meteor :-)
At breakfast time I was sitting by the house atVanavara
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanavara_(rural_locality))Trading Post [65
kilometres/40 miles south of the explosion], facing north. […] I suddenly
saw that directly to the north, over Onkoul's Tunguska Road, the sky split in
two and fire appeared high and wide over the forest [as Semenov showed, about
50 degrees up—expedition note]. The split in the sky grew larger, and the
entire northern side was covered with fire. At that moment I became so hot
that I couldn't bear it as if my shirt was on fire; from the northern side,
where the fire was, came strong heat. I wanted to tear off my shirt and throw
it down, but then the sky shut closed, and a strong thump sounded, and I was
thrown a few metres. I lost my senses for a moment, but then my wife ran out
and led me to the house. After that such noise came, as if rocks were falling
or cannons were firing, the Earth shook, and when I was on the ground, I
pressed my head down, fearing rocks would smash it. When the sky opened up,
hot wind raced between the houses, like from cannons, which left traces in
the ground like pathways, and it damaged some crops. Later we saw that many
windows were shattered, and in the barn, a part of the iron lock snapped.
.....Eyewitness report many years after the 1908 Tunguska event.
I remember seeing old photographs of the trees flattened for miles
around. It left quite an impression on me.
Yes, quite a thought provoking image.
They estimate that 80 million trees over about 1000 square miles were
flattened due to the event, which was estimated to be about 1000 times more
powerful than the Hiroshima bomb; and made more deadly by the fact that much
of the Tunguska blast was directed downwards. The meteor is believed to have
exploded about 5 miles above the ground.
AFAIK, atomic bombs are designed to explode high in the air, too, for
the same reason. I expect the Tsar Bomba was simply Russia trying to
get it's own back on the Cosmos. :-)
They can detonate at various heights. Air burst maximises the blast radius but
if the intention is to deny use of an area due to fallout or damage underground
installations, ground detonation would be preferred.
I was reading a book recently, mostly about atomic accidents. Very
interesting indeed; but it mentioned, almost in passing, that the
fallout effects of Hiroshima/Nagasaki would have been small - mostly
dissipated in the air - and that the major damage was caused by heat.
If that's correct, then it's not that much different to the carpet
bombings that they were subjected to.
Local fallout was negligible but 6,000 survived the initial blast and firestorm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Boy#Radiation
That's significantly worse than the fatalities one might expect from
conventional weapons.
And those were only 'little' ones. If we're very lucky, such things
will not happen again.
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I've often said that events like these make me wish for the
appearance of
a large earth-bound asteroid just for the sake of distraction. Well, it
seems we had a near-miss last week and no paid the least bit of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_OK
Fuck me.
All that effort they have put into watching for lumps of rock in space,
and this thing gets to within 24 hours of armageddon before anyone knows
it is there.
Even if it had got closer than 45000 miles and exploded in the
atmosphere;
Trump would have blamed it on Iran. South Korea would have blamed it on
the North; everyone would have blamed Putin, and Lardy would have blamed
socialists.
I shudder to think what might have happened had the Chelyabinsk event
happened during Cold War: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelyabinsk_meteor
http://youtu.be/dpmXyJrs7iU
Maybe they only /pretended/ it was a meteor :-)
At breakfast time I was sitting by the house atVanavara
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanavara_(rural_locality))Trading Post [65
kilometres/40 miles south of the explosion], facing north. […] I suddenly
saw that directly to the north, over Onkoul's Tunguska Road, the sky split in
two and fire appeared high and wide over the forest [as Semenov showed, about
50 degrees up—expedition note]. The split in the sky grew larger, and the
entire northern side was covered with fire. At that moment I became so hot
that I couldn't bear it as if my shirt was on fire; from the northern side,
where the fire was, came strong heat. I wanted to tear off my shirt and throw
it down, but then the sky shut closed, and a strong thump sounded, and I was
thrown a few metres. I lost my senses for a moment, but then my wife ran out
and led me to the house. After that such noise came, as if rocks were falling
or cannons were firing, the Earth shook, and when I was on the ground, I
pressed my head down, fearing rocks would smash it. When the sky opened up,
hot wind raced between the houses, like from cannons, which left traces in
the ground like pathways, and it damaged some crops. Later we saw that many
windows were shattered, and in the barn, a part of the iron lock snapped.
.....Eyewitness report many years after the 1908 Tunguska event.
I remember seeing old photographs of the trees flattened for miles
around. It left quite an impression on me.
Yes, quite a thought provoking image.
They estimate that 80 million trees over about 1000 square miles were
flattened due to the event, which was estimated to be about 1000 times more
powerful than the Hiroshima bomb; and made more deadly by the fact that much
of the Tunguska blast was directed downwards. The meteor is believed to have
exploded about 5 miles above the ground.
AFAIK, atomic bombs are designed to explode high in the air, too, for
the same reason. I expect the Tsar Bomba was simply Russia trying to
get it's own back on the Cosmos. :-)
They can detonate at various heights. Air burst maximises the blast radius but
if the intention is to deny use of an area due to fallout or damage underground
installations, ground detonation would be preferred.
I was reading a book recently, mostly about atomic accidents. Very
interesting indeed; but it mentioned, almost in passing, that the
fallout effects of Hiroshima/Nagasaki would have been small - mostly
dissipated in the air - and that the major damage was caused by heat.
If that's correct, then it's not that much different to the carpet
bombings that they were subjected to.
Local fallout was negligible but 6,000 survived the initial blast and firestorm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Boy#Radiation
That's significantly worse than the fatalities one might expect from
conventional weapons.
And those were only 'little' ones. If we're very lucky, such things
will not happen again.
It's crazy reading the contemporary US propaganda about the weapons, how they
harnessed the "basic power of the Universe":

"The greatest marvel is not the size of the enterprise, its secrecy, nor its
cost, but the achievement of scientific brains in putting together infinitely
complex pieces of knowledge held by many men in different fields of science."

That bomb was detonated above a hospital. Pretty much all the casualties were
civilian. Truman sounds like a psychopath in his speech.

As far as I'm concerned, he should be considered a war criminal.
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2019-08-06 11:13:44 UTC
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I've often said that events like these make me wish for the
appearance of
a large earth-bound asteroid just for the sake of distraction. Well, it
seems we had a near-miss last week and no paid the least bit of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_OK
Fuck me.
All that effort they have put into watching for lumps of rock in space,
and this thing gets to within 24 hours of armageddon before anyone knows
it is there.
Even if it had got closer than 45000 miles and exploded in the
atmosphere;
Trump would have blamed it on Iran. South Korea would have blamed it on
the North; everyone would have blamed Putin, and Lardy would have blamed
socialists.
I shudder to think what might have happened had the Chelyabinsk event
happened during Cold War: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelyabinsk_meteor
http://youtu.be/dpmXyJrs7iU
Maybe they only /pretended/ it was a meteor :-)
At breakfast time I was sitting by the house atVanavara
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanavara_(rural_locality))Trading Post [65
kilometres/40 miles south of the explosion], facing north. […] I suddenly
saw that directly to the north, over Onkoul's Tunguska Road, the sky split
in
two and fire appeared high and wide over the forest [as Semenov showed,
about
50 degrees up—expedition note]. The split in the sky grew larger, and the
entire northern side was covered with fire. At that moment I became so hot
that I couldn't bear it as if my shirt was on fire; from the northern side,
where the fire was, came strong heat. I wanted to tear off my shirt and
throw
it down, but then the sky shut closed, and a strong thump sounded, and I was
thrown a few metres. I lost my senses for a moment, but then my wife ran out
and led me to the house. After that such noise came, as if rocks were
falling
or cannons were firing, the Earth shook, and when I was on the ground, I
pressed my head down, fearing rocks would smash it. When the sky opened up,
hot wind raced between the houses, like from cannons, which left traces in
the ground like pathways, and it damaged some crops. Later we saw that many
windows were shattered, and in the barn, a part of the iron lock snapped.
.....Eyewitness report many years after the 1908 Tunguska event.
I remember seeing old photographs of the trees flattened for miles
around. It left quite an impression on me.
Yes, quite a thought provoking image.
They estimate that 80 million trees over about 1000 square miles were
flattened due to the event, which was estimated to be about 1000 times more
powerful than the Hiroshima bomb; and made more deadly by the fact that much
of the Tunguska blast was directed downwards. The meteor is believed to have
exploded about 5 miles above the ground.
AFAIK, atomic bombs are designed to explode high in the air, too, for
the same reason. I expect the Tsar Bomba was simply Russia trying to
get it's own back on the Cosmos. :-)
They can detonate at various heights. Air burst maximises the blast radius but
if the intention is to deny use of an area due to fallout or damage underground
installations, ground detonation would be preferred.
I was reading a book recently, mostly about atomic accidents. Very
interesting indeed; but it mentioned, almost in passing, that the
fallout effects of Hiroshima/Nagasaki would have been small - mostly
dissipated in the air - and that the major damage was caused by heat.
If that's correct, then it's not that much different to the carpet
bombings that they were subjected to.
Local fallout was negligible but 6,000 survived the initial blast and firestorm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Boy#Radiation
That's significantly worse than the fatalities one might expect from
conventional weapons.
And those were only 'little' ones. If we're very lucky, such things
will not happen again.
It's crazy reading the contemporary US propaganda about the weapons, how they
"The greatest marvel is not the size of the enterprise, its secrecy, nor its
cost, but the achievement of scientific brains in putting together infinitely
complex pieces of knowledge held by many men in different fields of science."
That bomb was detonated above a hospital. Pretty much all the casualties were
civilian. Truman sounds like a psychopath in his speech.
As far as I'm concerned, he should be considered a war criminal.
You're free to do that. But does that ever 'officially' happen to
anyone on the winning side? Just wondering, but I doubt it.
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I've often said that events like these make me wish for the
appearance of
a large earth-bound asteroid just for the sake of distraction. Well, it
seems we had a near-miss last week and no paid the least bit of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_OK
Fuck me.
All that effort they have put into watching for lumps of rock in space,
and this thing gets to within 24 hours of armageddon before anyone knows
it is there.
Even if it had got closer than 45000 miles and exploded in the
atmosphere;
Trump would have blamed it on Iran. South Korea would have blamed it on
the North; everyone would have blamed Putin, and Lardy would have blamed
socialists.
I shudder to think what might have happened had the Chelyabinsk event
happened during Cold War: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelyabinsk_meteor
http://youtu.be/dpmXyJrs7iU
Maybe they only /pretended/ it was a meteor :-)
At breakfast time I was sitting by the house atVanavara
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanavara_(rural_locality))Trading Post [65
kilometres/40 miles south of the explosion], facing north. […] I suddenly
saw that directly to the north, over Onkoul's Tunguska Road, the sky split
in
two and fire appeared high and wide over the forest [as Semenov showed,
about
50 degrees up—expedition note]. The split in the sky grew larger, and the
entire northern side was covered with fire. At that moment I became so hot
that I couldn't bear it as if my shirt was on fire; from the northern side,
where the fire was, came strong heat. I wanted to tear off my shirt and
throw
it down, but then the sky shut closed, and a strong thump sounded, and I was
thrown a few metres. I lost my senses for a moment, but then my wife ran out
and led me to the house. After that such noise came, as if rocks were
falling
or cannons were firing, the Earth shook, and when I was on the ground, I
pressed my head down, fearing rocks would smash it. When the sky opened up,
hot wind raced between the houses, like from cannons, which left traces in
the ground like pathways, and it damaged some crops. Later we saw that many
windows were shattered, and in the barn, a part of the iron lock snapped.
.....Eyewitness report many years after the 1908 Tunguska event.
I remember seeing old photographs of the trees flattened for miles
around. It left quite an impression on me.
Yes, quite a thought provoking image.
They estimate that 80 million trees over about 1000 square miles were
flattened due to the event, which was estimated to be about 1000 times more
powerful than the Hiroshima bomb; and made more deadly by the fact that much
of the Tunguska blast was directed downwards. The meteor is believed to have
exploded about 5 miles above the ground.
AFAIK, atomic bombs are designed to explode high in the air, too, for
the same reason. I expect the Tsar Bomba was simply Russia trying to
get it's own back on the Cosmos. :-)
They can detonate at various heights. Air burst maximises the blast radius but
if the intention is to deny use of an area due to fallout or damage underground
installations, ground detonation would be preferred.
I was reading a book recently, mostly about atomic accidents. Very
interesting indeed; but it mentioned, almost in passing, that the
fallout effects of Hiroshima/Nagasaki would have been small - mostly
dissipated in the air - and that the major damage was caused by heat.
If that's correct, then it's not that much different to the carpet
bombings that they were subjected to.
Local fallout was negligible but 6,000 survived the initial blast and firestorm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Boy#Radiation
That's significantly worse than the fatalities one might expect from
conventional weapons.
And those were only 'little' ones. If we're very lucky, such things
will not happen again.
It's crazy reading the contemporary US propaganda about the weapons, how they
"The greatest marvel is not the size of the enterprise, its secrecy, nor its
cost, but the achievement of scientific brains in putting together infinitely
complex pieces of knowledge held by many men in different fields of science."
That bomb was detonated above a hospital. Pretty much all the casualties were
civilian. Truman sounds like a psychopath in his speech.
As far as I'm concerned, he should be considered a war criminal.
You're free to do that. But does that ever 'officially' happen to
anyone on the winning side? Just wondering, but I doubt it.
Leftists are succeeding in revising history so it does sometimes happen. I
suppose one might argue that by then, the winning side has in fact lost.
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I've often said that events like these make me wish for the
appearance of
a large earth-bound asteroid just for the sake of distraction. Well, it
seems we had a near-miss last week and no paid the least bit of
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2019_OK
Fuck me.
All that effort they have put into watching for lumps of rock in space,
and this thing gets to within 24 hours of armageddon before anyone knows
it is there.
Even if it had got closer than 45000 miles and exploded in the
atmosphere;
Trump would have blamed it on Iran. South Korea would have blamed it on
the North; everyone would have blamed Putin, and Lardy would have blamed
socialists.
I shudder to think what might have happened had the Chelyabinsk event
happened during Cold War: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chelyabinsk_meteor
http://youtu.be/dpmXyJrs7iU
Maybe they only /pretended/ it was a meteor :-)
At breakfast time I was sitting by the house atVanavara
(https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vanavara_(rural_locality))Trading Post [65
kilometres/40 miles south of the explosion], facing north. […] I suddenly
saw that directly to the north, over Onkoul's Tunguska Road, the sky split
in
two and fire appeared high and wide over the forest [as Semenov showed,
about
50 degrees up—expedition note]. The split in the sky grew larger, and the
entire northern side was covered with fire. At that moment I became so hot
that I couldn't bear it as if my shirt was on fire; from the northern side,
where the fire was, came strong heat. I wanted to tear off my shirt and
throw
it down, but then the sky shut closed, and a strong thump sounded, and I was
thrown a few metres. I lost my senses for a moment, but then my wife ran out
and led me to the house. After that such noise came, as if rocks were
falling
or cannons were firing, the Earth shook, and when I was on the ground, I
pressed my head down, fearing rocks would smash it. When the sky opened up,
hot wind raced between the houses, like from cannons, which left traces in
the ground like pathways, and it damaged some crops. Later we saw that many
windows were shattered, and in the barn, a part of the iron lock snapped.
.....Eyewitness report many years after the 1908 Tunguska event.
I remember seeing old photographs of the trees flattened for miles
around. It left quite an impression on me.
Yes, quite a thought provoking image.
They estimate that 80 million trees over about 1000 square miles were
flattened due to the event, which was estimated to be about 1000 times more
powerful than the Hiroshima bomb; and made more deadly by the fact that much
of the Tunguska blast was directed downwards. The meteor is believed to have
exploded about 5 miles above the ground.
AFAIK, atomic bombs are designed to explode high in the air, too, for
the same reason. I expect the Tsar Bomba was simply Russia trying to
get it's own back on the Cosmos. :-)
They can detonate at various heights. Air burst maximises the blast radius but
if the intention is to deny use of an area due to fallout or damage underground
installations, ground detonation would be preferred.
I was reading a book recently, mostly about atomic accidents. Very
interesting indeed; but it mentioned, almost in passing, that the
fallout effects of Hiroshima/Nagasaki would have been small - mostly
dissipated in the air - and that the major damage was caused by heat.
If that's correct, then it's not that much different to the carpet
bombings that they were subjected to.
Local fallout was negligible but 6,000 survived the initial blast and firestorm
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Little_Boy#Radiation
That's significantly worse than the fatalities one might expect from
conventional weapons.
And those were only 'little' ones. If we're very lucky, such things
will not happen again.
It's crazy reading the contemporary US propaganda about the weapons, how they
"The greatest marvel is not the size of the enterprise, its secrecy, nor its
cost, but the achievement of scientific brains in putting together infinitely
complex pieces of knowledge held by many men in different fields of science."
That bomb was detonated above a hospital. Pretty much all the casualties were
civilian. Truman sounds like a psychopath in his speech.
As far as I'm concerned, he should be considered a war criminal.
You're free to do that. But does that ever 'officially' happen to
anyone on the winning side? Just wondering, but I doubt it.
Leftists are succeeding in revising history so it does sometimes happen. I
suppose one might argue that by then, the winning side has in fact lost.
No-one can accuse them of not taking the long view of history :-)
Byker
2019-08-08 04:17:52 UTC
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They can detonate at various heights. Air burst maximises the blast
radius but if the intention is to deny use of an area due to fallout or
damage underground installations, ground detonation would be preferred.
While in the USAF I wondered how bombers would be able to escape the
effects of high-yield weapons if they went off at optimum burst height
(during the multi-megaton Pacific tests it was not unusual for aircraft to
return with blistered paint, crumpled paneling, and half-melted plexiglas).
The 9 MT B-53 would have to go off at 21,000 ft. to ensure maximum
destruction, but since bombing strategy required a low-level approach to
sneak under radar, a climb to high altitude to safely drop the bomb would
turn the bomber into SAM bait: https://tinyurl.com/y2gqkmt6



The sad truth about these "city-busters" is that they were never intended
for airbursts. They were supposed to be used against "hard" targets and
deeply buried command centers. The B-53 could theoretically blast
(vaporize?) a crater 500 feet deep and collapse tunnels two to three times
deeper.

The 15-MT Castle Bravo test contaminated over 7,000 sq. mi.:
https://tinyurl.com/y2f2medl, and probably MUCH more)
https://tinyurl.com/y2b9o6fm.

But that's small potatoes compared to the 25 MT B-41:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B41_nuclear_bomb

I'd imagine the Russkies would have pinched their drawers over the prospect
of a 900-foot-deep crater where the Kremlin once stood:
https://tinyurl.com/y6qs8ex7

And keep in mind that for awhile we had 500 of these megawhoppers in the
inventory...

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